Replica wall on Tempe campus illustrates turmoil in West Bank
By Joseph Schmidt April 7, 2010 at 8:49 pm 
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DRAWING ATTENTION: A member of Students for Justice in Palestine is wrestled to the ground by volunteers, depicting violence faced by locals at West Bank checkpoints each day. The event took place on Hayden Lawn Wednesday afternoon. (Photo by Serwaa Adu-Tutu)
Students walking past Hayden Lawn on Wednesday afternoon were subject to interrogations as the Students for Justice in Palestine held a demonstration replicating the West Bank barrier in Israel.
Acting as Israeli guards and Palestinian citizens at a checkpoint station, volunteers made it difficult to pass from one side of the wall to the other.
“It’s easy to read things online. It’s easy to read things in newspapers. But it’s not easy to understand it,” said Oday Shahin, head of public relations for Students for Justice in Palestine’s ASU chapter. “We want to bring the reality of the checkpoints and the oppression of the Palestinian people on Hayden Lawn.”
The West Bank barrier replica stood more than 26 feet tall and was covered with information about the wall’s construction, stories of children killed by bombings and other accounts from those affected by the region’s conflict.
A volunteer acting as an Israeli guard stood in front of the wall with a megaphone, chiding onlookers for staring at “his wall” and forcing students into interrogations.
“People need to know the context, that’s why we’re here,” said Shahin as a guard forced yet another student to his knees while screaming at him.
“Someone stopped me and said, ‘Hey, wait a minute, are you pro- or anti-Israeli?’” said Shahin, a computer information systems junior. “I said, ‘Well, I’m going to tell you what’s happening here and you decide.’”
Bryce Schotz, a finance and marketing sophomore, said he found the event offensive because the group was negatively portraying Jewish people.
“They have people dressed up in yarmulkes, in ‘Israeli Defense’ T-shirts and portray them as evil, bad people,” Schotz said. “Once they put a yarmulke on, that’s a religious battle.”
Mark Montesano, Students for Justice in Palestine’s faculty sponsor, said the group is doing a good job informing people, including himself.
“I bring my classes to the mosque and they help to facilitate conversations … between Muslim students and my students about Islam and other things,” Montesano said. “They’re really teaching me more.”
Students for Justice in Palestine obtained the wall from its fellow chapter at the University of California, Irvine. Group members began assembling the wall Wednesday morning at 5 a.m., finishing five hours later.
As Shahin explained how the wall in the West Bank changes Palestinians’ everyday routines to a group of students, the man with the megaphone directed his guards to seize someone walking by.
“Him!” he yelled as other guards surrounded the student portraying a Palestinian citizen, forcing him to the ground and ripping his backpack from his back.
“I didn’t do anything!” the student pleaded. “I’m just going to class!”
The guards didn’t relent, forcing his hands behind his back and dragging him to an area where others had been detained.
The Students for Justine in Palestine shouldn’t be on campus, Schotz said, though he said he understands the group’s right to freedom of speech.
“Instead of demonstrating their causes, they’re putting down other people,” he said. “It’s really sad.”
Shahin insisted the group is portraying the struggle fairly, and that the situations are accurate reenactments of checkpoints at the West Bank wall.
“[We’re] showing students that this is what Palestinians go through,” Shahin said. “We’re here to show the wall — this is what it mimics.”
Reach the reporter at joseph.schmidt@asu.edu
Did the Students for Justice in Palestine have any information about why the wall exists? It's easy to look at a conflict from one angle and say “that's wrong”. Someone who evaluates both sides and comes to a conclusion is much more wise. The wall exists because Israelis who went out to eat dinner on a Saturday night were killed in an instant by suicide bombers, leaving children orphaned and causing fear in the streets. Imagine not being able to go to the mall, ride the bus, or walk on a crowded street without constant fear that out of no where, someone may come and blow your life to a million piece. It's traumatizing. The wall was created to stop these suicide bombers coming from the West Bank and Gaza, and it's worked. If Mexico started sending in suicide bombers to Los Angles, would you expect the US government to sit by and let it's citizens die? The responsible thing to do would be to protect your citizens peacefully. A wall does just that. Instead of trying to build themselves up, the Palestinians continue to hug their status as refugees. The Jews were massacred in the Holocaust, and they somehow picked up, moved on, educated themselves, and are now productive members of society. They did all this within 1 generation. The Palestinians claim to be refugees for 3 generations. Could none of these generations decide to improve their lives and become productive members of society rather than embracing the death of another society? It's time for educated people to make educated decisions about the current wall–It's there as a last resort, after 3 generations of fear.
I don't think Mr. Blight could have spoken any words more true. This is an extremely unhealthy execution of the freedom of speech that is both representing biased opinions and that is attempting to solve problems in the most inappropriate ways. One may wonder how the university feels about activities, such as this, being carried out on school grounds for all students to observe. In my opinion, this protest was extremely distasteful to say the least.
Mister blight doesn't seem to know the Apartheid Wall in Palestine DOESN'T separate Israeli and Palestinian territories, it separate Palestinian territories and other Palestinian territories. On July 9, 2004, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that the Apartheid Wall, Israeli settlement policies
and occupation violate international law and must be ended. It reminded the international community that it was obliged to enforce international law and in no way support the existing situation.
Here are facts:
-The Wall is not being built on, or in most cases near the 1967 Green Line, but rather cuts deep into the West Bank, expanding Israel's theft of Palestinian land and resources. In total, 85% of the Wall is located in the West Bank.
-When completed, the Wall will de facto annex some 46% of the West Bank, isolating communities into Bantustans, ghettos and “military zones”.
This means that the Palestinian population in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, including almost 1.5 million refugees, will be encircled on only 12% of mandate Palestine.
This is an annual stunt that is typically performed as part of “Israeli Apartheid Week.”
Please see CAMERA's (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America) website about the truth of the situation.
http://www.israeliapartheidweek.com/default.asp
Also please visit http://ifamericansknew.com/
Quick question for you, henry34:
Do you believe that Israel has a right to exist?
publicrelationssjp,
I presume that you are Mr. Shahin.
The author mentioned that the wall you erected was from a sister chapter at UC: Irvine. I was just wondering, what organization would that be?
I ask because I could not find a recognized SJP chapter while searching UCI's website.
Its amazing how everybody talks about the existential threat to Israel while it was Palestine that was wiped off the map 60 years ago.
Its Israel not Palestine, that illegally denies the right of return to millions of Palestinian refugees worldwide.
Its Israel not Palestine, that routinely conduct house demolitions of the other people.
Its Israel not Palestine, that continuously expands its illegal settlements in the territory of another country.
Its Israel not Palestine, that is and has been occupying the other side for 40 years, constituting the longest military occupation in modern history.
Finally its was Israel not Palestine that last year performed a huge military raid in one of the mostly densely populated areas in the world, killing around 1500 people, the vast majority of them civilians. (Number of Israeli casualties you ask? 13, 3 of them civilians)
This is sad. SJP tries to start a discussion about human rights, and all the other side has to offer is that they are offended.
foru,
A response to your comment that “Its amazing how everybody talks about the existential threat to Israel while it was Palestine that was wiped off the map 60 years ago.”
The comment shows that you do not recognize Israel's right to exist nor do you recognize Jordan's right to exist.
foru,
It is well documented that “Israeli Apartheid Week” and stunts like the one documented in this article are not an effective way to start a productive discussion about human rights.
Perhaps SJP should consider working with Sun Devils for Israel to find common ground and to develop a reasonable solution rather than demonizing Israel and Jews.
“the only totally free country in the Middle East”
I suggest you ask a Palestinian at a checkpoint trying to cross to Jerusalem. Israel likes to boast itself as the greatest democracy in the Middle East. Does a great democracy behave as Israel does in its settlement expansion policy, DESPITE international (including recently, the United States) condemnation? Does a great democracy have a collection of U.N resolutions it has openly violated?
It may be free for the population of a specific religion or ethnicity, but we can’t truly call denying the other populations their basic human rights, a truly free country.
One can have debates, discussions, movie screenings, lectures, etc. How many people on average do you think will make room for such events in their schedule?
Bringing a glimpse of the reality (the wall, the checkpoints, the HISTORY) on Hayden Lawn makes it impossible for any student to turn their head and ignore.
People are being offended by the concept or the portrayals of the event. I am offended by Israel taking advantage of U.S aid to carry out such atrocities. I am offended by the media's bias of the situation. I am offended that because I am an American, I can cross through Israeli borders freely. But a Palestinian who can trace their lineage in the region back centuries, stands in line for hours and is often denied entry because that is what they are: Palestinian.
I commend Students for Justice in Palestine for their performance yesterday. Keep up the good work and continue to educate your student community.
We cannot achieve true peace until the Palestinians are given the human rights they deserve.
Perhaps the Palestinians should cry out to their leadership (Abbas / Abu Mazen) to spend the aid they receive on building the infrastructure that they need rather than feeding corruption and purchasing weapons.
Rather than accepting the peace offer in 2000 that included Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem, Arafat instead prompted a violent intifada. Arafat rejected peace in favor of suicide bombings.
The security fence in Jerusalem was built in response to those suicide bombings and the decline of suicide bombings since its erection represents its effectiveness.
Border checkpoints are normal for any country – just drive from Arizona to California on I-8 and you will come across border patrol for the Arizona-Mexico border, the California-Mexico border, and the Arizona-California border. The difference is that the U.S. does not confront domestic terrorists on a regular – we just do a poor job looking for drug smuggling and human trafficking.
As for the issue of settlements: what would you reasonably expect given the circumstances?
Thousands of rockets were continually fired into Israel; Hamas and Hezbollah kidnapped Israeli soldiers; Hamas still has Gilad Schalit; Hezbollah returned the soldiers after executing them; Iran continues to clearly state its intention to destroy Israel; and Iran refuses to stop its nuclear ambitions.
In response to the overall situation, Israeli public opinion – as one would expect – shifted to the right, and the shift was visible in elections.
The result was that though Kadima (center) received a plurality of the vote, Kadima was unable to form a governing coalition. Instead, Likud (center-right) was tasked with forming a government. When Netanyahu asked Kadima to be part of a broad-based coalition government, Kadima rejected the offer and settled in the opposition. Instead, Netanyahu was forced to build a government that included the far-right.
The fact that the current government depends on the support of the far-right forced Netanyahu's hand for the sake of maintaining a government.
pro_justice,
I agree with your point that “[w]e cannot achieve true peace until the Palestinians are given the human rights they deserve.”
However, we disagree with where to look.
Rather than blaming Israel for the lack of infrastructure and basic necessities, the Palestinians should look directly at their leaders (both past and present), and the actions of their Arab brethren – in particular Egypt and Jordan.
Their Arab brethren could have taken in the Palestinians and accorded them citizenship, but instead the Arab nations abandoned them and left them as individuals without any citizenship.
In the current era, the Arab nations could provide more aid, but there is no certainty that money and building supplies would be used for building infrastructure – in fact there are decades of evidence proving contrary.
The Palestinians need to demand their leaders to focus on building their infrastructure rather than wasting money on individuals and pointing to Israel as the scapegoat. But who can expect that to occur when the median age is between 17 and 19?
Yes, according to the CIA factbook, the median age in Gaza and the West Bank is under 20. How often do we know what is really going on when we are that age? How many of us post pictures online of our friends drinking despite being under 21? How few of us go out to vote during elections?
What would you say if you were told every day since you were born that all of your problems are the fault of some “other?” The odds are that you would continue to blame that “other,” particularly if you didn't have access to the information that shows that your leaders and the people you look up to are the ones who actually caused your situation.
Israel wants peace, but her experience tells her to be very cynical of the actions of others.
a solution to the conflict that I can think of is a one state solution (I feel a 2 state solution most likely will not work) where the Israeli government is willing to give the Palestinians citizenship and integrate them into the society, I think that is very possible considering that 20% of Israeli citizens are non Jewish Arabs, all Israeli citizens should be given equal rights regardless of religion or ethnic origin, also the Palestinian refugees in exile should be given the right to at least be able to return and visit and apply for an Israeli citizenship if they want to live there although most will probably want to remain in the country that they have settled down in, the Israeli and surrounding Arab governments must work together and compromise to fix this, also international assistance may help too, the illegal military occupation/raids, home demolitions, blockade, segregation walls, and settlements are what is causing militant groups like Hamas to gain power and influence and must be stopped for any progress to be made, granted there will always be stubborn and militant right wingers on both sides who are not willing to compromise, but their power and influence will decrease if the illegal military occupation and “blame game” is brought to an end, I believe peace can be possible with the right leadership who really want to make progress
As a practical matter, a one state solution is not a genuine solution.
Israel's purpose is to serve as the national homeland of the Jewish people – the one nation state in the world where Jews are the majority.
A one state solution would be accomplished through one of two ways:
1) Israel annexes all of the land as part of the State and gives citizenship to all individuals. This would very quickly change the demographics of Israel from where Jews are a majority to where Jews would be the minority. That would run counter to Israel's purpose and would be tantamount to Israel's destruction.
2) Israel annexes all of the land as part of the State and kicks out all of the Arabs. That would be undemocratic and would be welcomed by the world about as much as a third world war.
Realistically, either option for a one state solution will trigger a war. Sadly, we seem to be very close to the point that any possibility of a two state solution will not work. As such, the real question right now is whether we can achieve a genuine peace before the window of opportunity for a two state solution closes.
Anyone can think of good “state” solutions.
This wont fix the problem.
What will fix the problem is the following:
-All Gazans are given basic human rights so they have no reason to rocket Israel.
-All legislators that were put in jail by Israel just because they are Palestinian legislators need to be freed.
-The thousands and thousands of children in Israeli jails under the age of 14 need to be freed.
-No more Weapons to the PA nor Israel from US.
-NO more special treatments by US for Israel.
-Every person that says Israel is only for Israelis because they are the “chosen” people should be medically diagnosed and not taken seriously.
The freedom of speech is suppose to protect unpopular speech, not popular speech sir.
I find your comments anti-freedom and also distasteful.
“Gazans given basic human rights…” Try asking their elected officials to do something for the people instead of using them as a political tool. The amount of aid given to Palestinians for medical supplies and other necessities which is actually used by buy weapons is astounding.
Israel does not exist because the Jews are the chosen people. It exists because throughout history, the Jews have been persecuted far and beyond any other religion, and the UN – whose resolutions you are so quick to quote when condemning Israel – mandated its existence in the first place. It is the only state in the world with a majority of Jewish inhabitants.
In Israel's war for independence, the surrounding Arab states told the residents (who would later become the 'Palestinians') of the area to vacate their homes. They were told they would be able to return within a couple months, after the Jews were pushed into the sea.
Israel, in contrast, offered citizenship to all residents REGARDLESS OF RELIGION if they stayed put. Only if they vacated their homes would they be barred from returning. Many stayed, and become Israeli Arab citizens with full rights.
Those who left ended up with no place to go. It would have made sense for the governments who told them to leave in the first place to take them in, but instead they have been used as a political tool for the past 62 years. This is the true human rights violation. Instead of helping their brothers, the Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, Iraqis, and Lebanese have been ****-ing on them since 1948. So much for Arab hospitality.
Do you beleive Jews are Chosen people? Please answer simply.
No, but that is a completely separate discussion.
I am straight forward, you can give me the mambo jambo weaknesses of Arab nationalism.
Here are quotes from Israeli officials. Right from the horses mouth.
“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
“We must expel Arabs and take their places.” David Ben Gurion, future Prime Minister of Israel, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
“We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters” Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From “The Arabs in Israel” by Sabri Jiryas.
“Hitler's legal power was based upon the 'Enabling Act', which was passed quite legally by the Reichstag and which allowed the Fuehrer and his representatives, in plain language, to be what they wanted, or in legal language, to issue regulations having the force of law. Exactly the same type of act was passed by the Knesset (Israeli Parliament) immediately after the 1067 conquest granting the Israeli governor and his representatives the power of Hitler, which they use in Hitlerian manner.” Dr. Israel Shahak, Chairperson of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights, and a survivor of the Bergen Belsen concentration camp, Commenting on the Israeli military's Emergency Regulations following the 1967 War. Palestine, vol. 12, December 1983.
You want more buddy?
Israeli spells GENOCIDE GENOCIDE GENOCIDE
I think thats a yes.
“It is forbidden to sell apartments in the Land of Israel to Gentiles.” Mordecai Eliayaho, the Israeli Chief Rabbi commenting on an attempt by a Palestinian to buy an apartment owned by the Jewish National Fund in East Jerusalem. Ha'aretz January 17, 1986. The same situation was repeated many times, and that decision is legalized now by the Israeli Supreme Court.
We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
Great, I can pull out some hardcore right-wing quotes by Arab leaders to support my case too. It doesn't prove anything. These extremists (on both sides) are the problem in the first place. The only way out of this mess is for more level-headed, moderate views to overcome these radicals. People don't want to be at war. When the Israelis and the Palestinians alike want peace more than they want to blame each other for their problems, then there will be peace.
Or you can keep spewing your hate and propaganda. It's your choice.
Dont make EXCUSES, and dont say these are right wingers.
Lets take a quote from the FIRST PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF ISRAEL, shall we??
Your gonna tell me one of the founders of Israel is just another extremist right wing nut job that no one should listen to?
1956, Ben-Gurion stated: “Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country … There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it is simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army.”
Nahum Goldman, 'The Jewish Paradox', translated by Steve Cox, 1978, ISBN 0-448-15166-9, p. 98, p. 100, p. 99
YOU HAVE NO LEG TO STAND ON. GENOCIDE GENOCIDE GENOCIDE.
YOU AND YOUR ZIONIST FRIENDS ARE EXPOSED, KEEP TALKING.
1) Gaza is a different situation from the West Bank, but the two situations are related.
The IMF released the growth numbers for 2009. Gaza's economic growth was ~1%; the West Bank's economic growth was ~8.5%.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-38742…
West Bank: The PA has worked with Israel to reduce attacks against Israel and to gain the trust of Israel.
Gaza: Israel withdrew entirely in 2005. Rather than a decline in the number of rockets fired into Israel, the number actually increased significantly. Moreover, the rocket attacks were intentionally fired from dense, urban centers within Gaza – intentionally placing civilians at risk of any strategic defensive response.
http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp… (Graph is at the bottom of the page)
The other issues:
2) The majority are members and leaders of Hamas, al-Quds (the military wing of Fatah), or other terrorist organizations. These individuals are in jail predominantly because they planned attacks against Israel. How and why they were arrested determines what rights they have in Israel's courts.
3) An individual launching rockets or mortars or firing guns against Israeli soldiers will be detained. That is part of what it means to be a sovereign nation. The question is whether they received a fair trial. Without following the Israeli court system, I cannot say how many are rightfully detained and how many are not.
4) Weapons from the U.S. are restricted to defense uses. Maintaining a strategic deterrent does not impede peace from being reached.
5) The U.S. maintaining a strategic and economic alliance does not impede peace. Claiming otherwise is active blame-shifting.
6) The comment makes no sense.
1) After Israel withdrew from Gaza, Gazans
Listen Zionist.
The case for Israel has been stated by one of its founder. Maybe you didnt read this
“It is forbidden to sell apartments in the Land of Israel to Gentiles.” Mordecai Eliayaho, the Israeli Chief Rabbi commenting on an attempt by a Palestinian to buy an apartment owned by the Jewish National Fund in East Jerusalem. Ha'aretz January 17, 1986. The same situation was repeated many times, and that decision is legalized now by the Israeli Supreme Court.
We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
END OF STORY. ISRAEL STARTED BY ENDING OTHERS. NO ARGUMENT FOR ZIONISM. YOU SUPPORT GENOCIDE.
Here's a few for the Quote Game:
“We Palestinians will take over everything, including all of Jerusalem….All the rich Jews who will get compensation will travel to America….We of the PLO will now concentrate all our efforts on splitting Israel psychologically into two camps. Within five years we will have six to seven million Arabs living in the West Bank and in Jerusalem….You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State….I have no use for Jews; they are and remain Jews.”
–Yaaser Arafat
“Holy war is our path. My death will be martyrdom. I will knock on the gates of Paradise with the skulls of the sons of Zion.”
— Ayman Radi, a traffic policeman in the P.L.O. police force, in a written note to his family before he carried out a suicide bombing in Jerusalem that wounded 13 Israelis (The New York Times, 26 December 1994)
On the intifada:
“We must always remember that our enemy is the Israeli occupation, and it is incumbent upon us to continue to struggle against it through the blessed intifada… Only the intifada can carry our nation to a more advanced stage.”
— Farouk Qaddumi, head of the P.L.O.'s Political Department (Ha'aretz, 16 December 1994)
“We must remember that the main enemy of the Palestinian people, now and forever, is Israel. This is a truth that must never leave our minds.”
— Palestinian Authority Justice Minister Freih Abu Middein, speaking at Al Azhar University in Gaza. (Al-Nahar, 11 April 1995; The Jerusalem Post, 17 April 1995)
“Jerusalem is under occupation and the Moslems of the world should liberate it by jihad and put it under Islamic and Arabic authority. The jihad is not just a war jihad – we are talking about all means to get back Jerusalem.”
— Sheikh Akram Sabri, the Palestinian Authority-appointed mufti (Muslim religious leader) of Jerusalem, in an interview with the London-based Arabic newspaper Al-Sharq al-Awsat. (Al-Sharq al-Awsat, 7 April 1995; The Jerusalem Post, 3 May 1995)
Whoever thinks of stopping the uprising before it achieves its goals, I will give him ten bullets in the chest.
* Yasser Arafat, Palestinian leader, as quoted in the Daily Telegraph (London, 19 January 1989), on the Intifada.
Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.
* Golda Meir, 1957
The truth is that if Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war.
* Benjamin Netanyahu, former israeli prime minister. Speech at the Knesset (the Israeli parliment) at the end of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. (August 14 2006). [3]
And from palestinian Television:
“No one, no Arab, Palestinian or Muslim is allowed to forgo one grain of soil of the land of Palestine, Jerusalem and Al Aksa …whoever forgoes even one grain of soil will be punished for his sin, for the sins of all Palestinians, for the sins of all Arabs and for all of the Muslim’s sins forever and ever…” 12
“…The Jews gathered from all ends of the earth in our beloved Palestine, from Rosh Ha-Nikra in the north to Eilat in the south…from sea to river, it was all a land of Muslims…” 13
“…Palestine’s borders, the promised Palestine, is from the sea to the river…” 14
“…Allah decreed on us in this lifetime to humiliate the Jews sooner or later…” 15
“…The Muslims and Arabs must stand behind the Palestinian nation, which is the sharp edge of the sword in the war against Allah’s enemies. I swear on Allah, the Jews are Islam’s enemies in this life time…” 16
Oh, and by the way, I love Eretz Yisrael, I live in Eretz Yisrael, and there is nothing you can do to take Eretz Yisrael away from the Jewish people. G-d gave us this land, and that is the only reason you need for why we should have it.
If you don't believe me, check out the commentary by Rabbi Shlomo Yitzhaki in the beginning of the Torah, and I quote “So, that if the nations come to Israel and say, 'you are thieves – in Hebrew, She-Kevash-Tem, you conquered and occupied – the land from the nations living there', you can tell them that all the universe is G-D's, He created it and gave it to the nations, and when He decided, He took it from them and gave it to us.”
Rabbi Shlomo Yitzhaki is known as Rashi, one of the greatest Jewish sages of all time.
HERE WE GO ANOTHER NUTJOB THAT SAYS GOD IS A REALSTATE AGENT. THIS IS WHY ISRAELIS DONT UNDERSTAND HUMAN RIGHTS.
SIR, DONT GIVE ME A DOCUMENTARY..READ MY LETTERS
G.O G.E.T T.R.E.A.T.M.E.N.T
Your not special because your a Jew, your like all of the children of Abraham. Even God said in the Old Testament that the Kingdom is not only for the children of Isaac but also for children of Ismaeel.
Yes, I agree with you that the palestinian extremists are attempting to create another holocaust, and I don't think it is right.
Quotes aren't really worth much at all, what matters is action.
The fact is that palestinian extremists hide behind children while they shoot rockets into Israel, and then they complain when Israel hits back at the rocket launch sites, which hamas puts children by so they can say that “Israel kills children” and it looks good in the media for the palestinians (and then they have propoganda machines like you running around too).
I know plenty of Israeli soldiers, and I know that none of them would purposely harm a child. In fact, the Israeli army is so careful not to hurt innocent civilians and children that they sometimes put their own soldiers in danger to protect the palestinian innocents.
Maybe you would like to explain the hamas mickey mouse show that is being run on palestinian television networks? Or the television shows that portray Jews as blood-thirsty, evil people?
You and your palestinian extremist friends need to get a life and realize that war will not solve any of your problems. You need to use your intelligence to make the world a better place.
You need to stop complaining about made up “occupation” claims and work with what you have to make your surroundings work for you.
Israel never has, never is and never will be out to kill palestinians for no reason. Everything Israel does is in defense of the millions of people living in Israel – many of them Christians, Muslims and many other religions.
We are tired of you and your extremist friends trying to kill our people with suicide bombers and snipers and all the other junk you guys use.
Israel will be ours forever, and if you stop trying to kill us, maybe you can be a part of the great country which is Israel.
Some of you guys prolly work for the Israeli government. Believe it or not folks.
The Foreign Ministry unveiled a new plan : Paying talkbackers to post pro-Israel responses on websites worldwide. A total of NIS 600,000 (roughly $150,000) will be earmarked to the establishment of an “Internet warfare” squad.
So tell us “Yossele the Golem” most of your talking points comes from the Foreign Ministry. Why are you targeting a University paper? Do you work for Israel?
source:http://www.eutimes.net/2009/12/israel-paying-agents-to-post-pro-israel-propaganda-on-internet-forums-blogs/
First of all, the program from the foreign ministry which you speak of is made up, as far as I can tell.
The sources you give quote an “opinion” piece written by a far left Israeli writer in a Hebrew newspaper who does not provide a source for her story. In addition, I looked for the program and I couldn't find anything about it online, and if you do find a link, please let me know so I can sign up.
Even if Israel was supporting a program like that, it's much better than paying people to blow themselves up, which is what your friends from Hamas do.
My talking points come from hard facts. Your talking points come straight from the mouth of the Hamas terrorist organization.
By the way, how do we know that Hamas isn't paying *you* to spread propaganda?
So tell us “henry34″, do you work for Hamas? Fatah? Hezbollah? Al Qaeda? Izzidine Al Qaasam? Al Aksa Martyr Brigades? Islamic Jihad? The PLO? Taliban?
You are an embarrassment to Islam, and I'm sure your Muslim brethren do not appreciate your hatred and genocidal tendencies. Most of them probably want peace, but you just want to fight.
Yup, it's people like you that will definitely further the advancement of Palestinians in the world .
Who said I am muslim? Why are you putting religion into this? Do you feel insecure?
By the way, about Israeli hiring “internet soldiers”. That isnt made up, its reality.
Here is another source:
http://rinf.com/alt-news/contributions/israeli-…
“Putting religion into this”, are you serious? The entire middle east conflict is based off of a religious holy war proposed by the Islamic extremists against the Jewish people in Israel.
There's nothing non-religious about it.
Let's say, theoretically, that you are not Muslim. The majority of Muslims who are piece-loving would probably not like having you represent them.
Also, the articles that you are linking to are all anti-israel slanted propoganda machines, but in any case, even if Israel does pay for people to post good things about Israel, there is nothing wrong with that. Have you ever heard of public relations? The palestinians happen to be so good at it that the term “pallywood” has been invented for the field.
This will be last and final comment on here, as it seems talking to you to like talking to a wall.
The conflict in the middle east does have a religious perspective but the cause is not about religion.
Amnesty International reports of human rights abuses. Red cross does also, and the United Nations. YOU CANT HIDE FROM IT AND SAY ITS A RELIGIOUS CONFLICT. This conflict is about the have and the have nots.
FYI they are Palestinian Christians. who are Greek, Latins, and other denominations.
It was only in last Easter Israel took off the bank from Palestinian Christians on visiting their holy sites.
Here is a read on how Palestinian Christians are treated: http://www.antiwar.com/cook/?articleid=10297
Oh boy, if Christians in this country knew about those Christian Palestinians they would be pissed as hell! But peopel assume its muslims vs jews so oversimplify the conflict.
Here is a CHRISTIAN MINISTRY IN ARIZONA that is against oppression by Israeli genocidal arrogance. http://whtt.org/
You know Bill Clinton said when he met prime minister of Israel at that time? He said “who the f** does he think he is, whos the world power around here? This guy is arrogant”
Most Israeli supporters are arrogant and if you tell them otherwise, they call you anti-Semitic.
Thank you,
Amnesty International, Red Cross and The U.N. are all biased towards the palestinians, but nice try anyways. The U.N. only lists actions done by Israel (as claimed by palestinian groups), while ignoring the rockets and other actions by the terrorist organizations in Gaza.
All the “human rights” claims that you bring up are worthless, because Israel is not responsible for the lack of human rights of palestinians. If the palestinians would spend the millions in resources that they get on normal things instead of weapons and smuggling tunnels, there wouldn't be such human rights issues.
The wall that Israel puts up is for the protection of the people on the Israeli side of it, because otherwise the palestinian extremists will shoot at people in Israel. A young girl that I know was shot and killed by a palestinian before they had the wall. Believe me, it's necessary.
You can pull up as many articles as you like from your slanted sources, but they won't make a difference. The fact is that Israel has extended it's hand in peace, and every time the palestinian leadership has spit on the hand.
You don't realize how hypocritical you sound, saying that Israeli supporters are arrogant.
In any case, I hope you wake up and smell the roses one day and realize that fighting with Israel will not help you in any way.
I don't know if you know this, but centuries ago the Jews and Muslims lived peacefully together. Imagine if we could do that again, imagine all the cultural sharing we can do.
Anyways, good luck with whatever it is you do, I just hope you make the right decisions and try to make peace with everyone you come across.